Gun Technical Data
French Guns
Mitrailleuse de
7,5mm MAC mle.31 |
KpfwMG 311(f) |
7.5mm |
n/a |
AMR 33, FT-31 |
Mitrailleuse de
13,2mm Hotchkiss mle 30 |
sMG 271(f) |
13.2mm |
n/a |
AMR 35 ZT1,
Laffly AM 80 |
Canon de
25 SA 35 |
2,5cm KwK 121(f) |
25mm |
47.2 or
52[4] |
Panhard 178,
AMR 35 ZT2 |
Canon de antichar
25 SA mle 34 |
2,5cm PaK 112(f) |
25mm |
72 |
Anti-tank
gun |
Canon de
25 SA-L mle 37 |
2,5cm PaK 113(f) |
25mm |
77 |
Anti-tank
gun, AMR 35 ZT3 |
Mitrailleuse de
25 CA mle 1939 [3] |
2,5cm FlaK Hotchkiss 39 |
25mm |
60 |
Anti-aircraft gun |
Canon de d'infanterie
37 mle 16 TR (or TRP) [1] |
3.7cm IG 152(f) |
37mm |
21 |
Infantry gun |
Canon de
37 SA 17 |
|
37mm |
21 |
Laffly 50 |
Canon de
37 SA 18 |
|
37mm |
21 |
FT-17c |
Canon de
37 SA 18 mle 37 |
3,7cm KwK 144(f) |
37mm |
21 |
H 35, H 39, R
35, FCM 36 |
Canon de
37 SA 38 |
3,7cm KwK 143(f) |
37mm |
33 |
H 35, H 39, R
39, R40 |
Canon de
47 SA 34 |
|
47mm |
21 |
AMC 34, B1,
D1, early D2 |
Canon de
47 SA 35 |
4,7cm KwK 173(f) |
47mm |
32 |
AMC 35, B1 bis,
late D2, S 35 |
Canon de antichar
47 SA mle 37 |
4,7cm PaK 181(f)[2] |
47mm |
53 |
Anti-tank
gun, Laffly W15 TCC |
Canon de
75 SA 35 |
7,5cm KwK 251(f) |
75mm |
17 |
B1 and B1 bis hull gun |
Canon de
75 mle 1897 |
FK 97(f) |
75mm |
36 |
Field gun
(wooden spoke wheels) |
Canon de
75 mle 1897 modifié 1933 |
FK 232(f) |
75mm |
36 |
Field gun
(split-trail) |
Canon de
75 mle 1897 modifié 1938 |
FK 231(f) |
75mm |
36 |
Field gun
(metal wheels with tyres) |
Notes:
- TR means "Tir Rapide" or "rapid fire". Sometimes called TRP
after the manufacturer Puteaux.
- The Germans liked this gun and prodiced their own Pzgr.40
APCR for it. Care should be taken not to confuse this with the original
French shells.
- This was an anti-aircraft gun
(CA=contre-aéroplanes). It was however used in a dual role
against both air and ground targets by the Mobile
Anti-Tank Batteries (BACA).
- Sources differ.
Armour Penetration Overview
To be useful, armour penetration figures should specify not only the
gun, range and penetration
achieved, but also the ammunition fired, the angle of
impact, the type of armour
attacked and the penetration criterion used.
The customary
angle of impact when quoting penetration performance is 30º
from the vertical (i.e. 60º from the
horizontal). The French and British measure angle from the vertical,
the Germans and NATO measure
angles from the horizontal. It is also traditional to quote penetration
against homogenous
armour. Performance against face hardened
plate, especially for smaller weapons firing uncapped rounds, can
differ greatly. Homogenous
armour plate has the same density and hardness all the way through,
face harden armour has had its outside hardened or carburised.
The Germans generally tested against Homogenous Armour Plate
at 30º from the vertical. Luckily for us, in 1941,
the German Design Office (Wa Pruef) tested the armour piercing
penetration of many French guns using their own criterion. For this
reason, I have quoted the German designation of the French guns in the
table above.
The French had figures for their own guns, but the rarely seem
to standardise on an angle (25º, 30º
or 35º) and usually use 400m which is never used by
the Germans.
A table for rough conversions
from sloped armour to an equivalent thickness of vertical plate is
given in WO
185/118; well-sloped armour being more
effective than would be indicated by a
simple cosine calculation.
Penetration tables also take no account of non-penetrating
damage. The running gear of all vehicles can
be vulnerable to AP or HE fire from nearly all calibres; in fact the
German 37mm gunners speciallised in firing at the tracks of the heavily
armoured French tanks. Extremely
large calibre rounds can cause
catastrophic damage without needing to penetrate the target;
a 155mm shell, for example, might
completely remove the turret of its target.
Germany began
using welded construction in the
1930s and France used cast armour. Riviting was still used in many
British tanks as well as a few
German and French tanks such as the Panzer 38(t), the AMR 33 and the
hull but not turret of the B1 bis. A shot
hitting an
exposed rivet-head could cause the rivet shank to break off and be
projected into the tank, causing
damage.
The following table can be used to convert penetration values
for shell sizes vs different angles of impact from the vertical:
Shell |
10° |
20° |
30° |
40° |
50° |
60° |
70° |
37mm |
0.99 |
0.90 |
0.75 |
0.57 |
0.41 |
0.30 |
0.22 |
50mm |
0.99 |
0.92 |
0.79 |
0.63 |
0.47 |
0.35 |
0.26 |
75mm |
0.99 |
0.93 |
0.82 |
0.66 |
0.51 |
0.39 |
0.29 |
88mm |
0.99 |
0.93 |
0.83 |
0.67 |
0.52 |
0.40 |
0.31 |
128mm |
0.99 |
0.94 |
0.84 |
0.69 |
0.55 |
0.43 |
0.32 |
Armour Penetration - French Guns
The following table shows a comparison of muzzle velocity (in
m/s), angle of impact from the vertical and armour penetration (in mm)
from different sources.
Mitrailleuse de
7,5mm MAC mle.31 |
French |
AP 29 |
805 |
15° |
8mm
@ 50m |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Mitrailleuse de
13,2mm Hotchkiss mle 30 |
German |
AP 35 |
800 |
0° |
22.5mm |
|
18mm |
|
14mm |
|
|
|
|
AP 35 |
|
30° |
12mm |
|
10mm |
|
8mm |
|
|
|
French |
AP 35 |
800 |
0° |
|
|
|
20mm |
|
|
|
|
|
APT 35 |
800 |
25° |
|
20mm |
|
|
|
|
|
Canon de
25 SA 35 |
German |
AP 34 |
920 |
0° |
47mm |
|
|
|
40mm |
30mm |
|
|
|
|
|
30° |
35mm |
|
|
|
30mm |
20mm |
|
|
|
|
|
45° |
18mm |
|
|
|
16mm |
15mm |
|
|
French |
APT 34 |
880 |
0° |
|
|
|
|
40mm |
|
|
|
|
|
|
35° |
|
32mm |
|
|
|
|
|
Canon de antichar
25 SA mle 34 |
French |
AP 34 |
920 |
25° |
|
|
|
40mm |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
0° |
54mm |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Mitrailleuse de
25 CA mle 1939 |
French |
AP |
875 |
0° |
|
|
|
|
35mm |
|
|
Canon de d'infanterie
37 mle 16 TR (or TRP) |
French |
APHE 92 mle 24 |
388 |
0° |
12mm |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Canon de
37 SA 18 |
French |
APHE 92 mle 24 |
388 |
0° |
12mm |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
APC 35 |
600 |
35° |
|
|
|
20mm |
|
|
|
Canon de
37 SA 18 mle 37 |
German |
APC 35 |
600 |
30° |
25mm |
|
|
|
19mm |
|
|
|
French |
|
|
35° |
|
|
|
20mm |
|
|
|
Canon de
37 SA 38 |
German |
APC 38 |
705 |
30° |
29mm |
|
|
|
23mm |
16mm |
12mm |
|
French |
|
705 |
25° |
|
|
|
32mm |
|
|
|
Canon de
47 SA 34 |
French |
AP 92 |
450 |
25° |
|
|
|
14mm |
|
|
|
|
|
|
480 |
30° |
|
|
|
25mm |
|
|
|
Canon de
47 SA 35 |
German |
APC 35 |
660 |
30° |
39mm |
|
|
|
33mm |
26mm |
20mm |
|
French |
|
|
30° |
|
|
|
40mm |
|
|
|
Canon de antichar
47 SA mle 37 |
German |
APCBC 36 |
855 |
30° |
57mm |
|
|
|
50mm |
42mm |
36mm |
|
French |
|
855 |
0° |
106mm |
101mm |
97mm |
93mm |
89mm |
72mm |
57mm |
Canon de
75 SA 35 |
French |
APHE 10M |
470 |
30° |
|
|
|
40mm |
|
|
|
Canon de
75 mle 1897
|
German |
Unknown |
? |
30° |
|
|
|
|
|
62mm |
|
Canon de
75 mle 1897
modifié 1933 |
French |
APHE 10M |
580 |
30° |
|
|
|
50mm |
|
|
|
|
French |
APHE 16[1]
APHE 18 |
575 |
30° |
|
|
|
40mm |
|
|
|
Notes:
- The Obus perforant AL (Allongé
Lefèvre) Mle 1916 (APHE) shell was heavier
than the earlier Obus de rupture Mle 1910M. It contained 350g of HE
instead of
90g. However this did not seem to improve its performance as might be
expected.
The mle 18 had 325g of HE.
Comparision between French/German/British Guns
The following table shows a comparison of muzzle velocity (in m/s) and
armour
penetration (in mm) against homogenous armour plate at a 30°
angle of impact from the vertical for the guns used in
the France 40 campaign.
|
MG 34 |
SmK |
785 |
8 |
3 |
|
|
|
SmKH [1] |
785 |
13 |
8 |
|
|
|
|
7,5mm MAC mle.31 |
AP mle 29 |
805 |
6 |
|
|
|
|
|
12.7mm Vickers |
AP |
785 |
15 |
9 |
|
|
|
|
13,2mm Hotchkiss |
AP mle 35 |
800 |
12 |
8 |
|
|
|
|
15mm BESA |
AP |
884 |
20 |
15 |
|
|
|
|
Panzerbüchse 39 |
SmKH |
1265 |
34 |
14 |
|
|
|
|
Boys Mk.I |
Kynoch AP |
990 |
21 |
11 |
|
|
|
|
2 cm KwK 30 & 38 |
Pzgr |
780 |
20 |
14 |
9 |
|
|
|
25 SA 35 |
AP mle 34
charge forte |
950 |
35 |
30 |
20 |
|
|
|
25 SA 34 or SA-L 37 |
AP mle 34
charge normal |
920 |
35 |
30 |
20 |
|
|
|
25 CA 39 |
AP |
875 |
30 |
25 |
15 |
|
|
|
3,7cm KwK 36
3,7cm PaK 35/36 |
Pzgr |
745 |
35 |
29 |
22 |
20 |
|
Pzgr.40 [2] |
1020 |
64 |
31 |
|
|
|
|
3,7 cm KwK 34 (t) |
Pzgr.(t) |
675 |
35 |
30 |
23 |
21 |
|
|
3,7 cm KwK 38
(t) |
Pzgr.(t) |
741 |
36 |
31 |
25 |
22 |
|
|
37 mle 16 TR
37 SA 18
37 SA 17 |
APHE mle 92 m 24 |
388 |
12 |
8 |
|
|
|
|
37 mle 16 TR
37 SA 18
37 SA 18 mle 37 |
APC mle 35 |
600 |
25 |
19 |
|
|
|
|
37 SA 38 |
APC mle 38 |
705 |
29 |
23 |
16 |
12 |
|
|
2pdr OQF Mk.IX |
AP |
808 |
66 |
50 |
35 |
25 |
|
|
4.7cm Pak(t) |
Pzgr.36(t) |
775 |
54 |
48 |
41 |
35 |
|
|
47 SA 35 |
APC mle 35 |
660 |
39 |
33 |
26 |
20 |
|
|
47 SA 37 |
APCBC mle 36 |
855 |
57 |
50 |
42 |
36 |
|
|
7,5 cm KwK 40 |
K Gr rot Pz |
385 |
41 |
38 |
35 |
32 |
30 |
Gr38 H1/A [3] |
450 |
70 |
70 |
70 |
70 |
|
|
7,5 cm leIG 18 |
IGr 38 H1 [3] |
305 |
45 |
45 |
45 |
45 |
|
|
75 mle 1897 |
APHE mle 10M |
580 |
51 |
47 |
43 |
39 |
36 |
|
75 SA 35 |
APHE mle 10M |
470 |
41 |
38 |
35 |
32 |
30 |
|
25pdr OQF Mk.I |
AP-T |
610 |
82 |
60 |
41 |
28 |
|
|
8,8cm FlaK 18 & 37 |
Pzgr.39 |
773 |
120 |
110 |
100 |
91 |
84 |
|
10,5cm leFH 18 |
Pzgr |
470 |
63 |
59 |
54 |
50 |
46 |
Gr39 H1/A [3] |
470 |
80 |
80 |
80 |
80 |
|
|
15cm sIG 33 |
Gr39 H1/A [3] |
280 |
160 |
160 |
160 |
160 |
|
|
15cm sFH 13 |
Gr39 H1/A [3] |
460 |
160 |
160 |
160 |
160 |
|
|
15cm sFH 18 |
Gr39 H1/A [3] |
465 |
160 |
160 |
160 |
160 |
|
Notes:
- The SmKH was a very rare (less than 2%) bullet with a
hardened
core of tungsten. It was available until 1942 when lack of tungsten
stopped its production. The Panzer I seems to have been give priority
as it was expected to meet enemy tanks; it had 94 SmKH and
2100 SmK rounds (i.e. approx 5%).
- The only Pzgr.40 (APCR) shells produced in 1940 were for
the 3,7cm L/45 KwK36 or the 3,7cm PaK 35/36 which were
equipped with a very small number during the battle of France. Reports
by OKW show that 7,440 Pzgr.40 rounds were fired out of a
total of about 70,000 (i.e. approx 10%). The
4,7cm Pak(t) on the Panzerjäger I received
the Pzgr.40 only in July 1940, the 2cm
Pzgr.40 was not introduced until later in the year and the other Pzgr.40,
such as the 3,7cm(t), in May 1941: i.e. in time for
the Russian campaign.
- The German GR H1 shells are HEAT. This explains why armour
penetration does not drop off with range. HEAT peretration is not
usually quoted over 1500m. The HEAT shells quoted here are those in use
in 1940, HEAT shells improved during the war.
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